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NurAzije - 18 Mar 2005 21:04 GMT
Best Regards,

I worked on Oracle for a long time, but I have a problem with it, it is
not cheap for bussiness..
Does anyone please knows any OpenSource Database powerful as Oracle,
and have the most capablities Oracle Database have..

Thank you in advance ..
Paul - 18 Mar 2005 21:48 GMT
>I worked on Oracle for a long time, but I have a problem with it, it is
>not cheap for bussiness..
>Does anyone please knows any OpenSource Database powerful as Oracle,
>and have the most capablities Oracle Database have..

The ones worth considering are Firebird and PostgreSQL. MySQL is not
up to scratch yet as a robust RDBMS.

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michaelnewport@yahoo.com - 21 Mar 2005 20:01 GMT
> >I worked on Oracle for a long time, but I have a problem with it, it is
> >not cheap for bussiness..
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>
> Paul...

but you forgot Ingres !!
Paul - 23 Mar 2005 14:09 GMT
>> The ones worth considering are Firebird and PostgreSQL. MySQL is not
>> up to scratch yet as a robust RDBMS.

>but you forgot Ingres !!

I took a look at their site, and it appears (to me at least) that you
still have to purchase it to use it, even though they've open sourced
it.

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Noel - 19 Mar 2005 00:50 GMT
>Best Regards,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Thank you in advance ..

I would agree with Paul that your choices are either PostgreSQL or
Firebird.  Of the two, PostgreSQL might be the easier for you to get
to grips with, as pl/pgsql is very similar to pl/sql in many ways.
Firebird has the advantage of a much smaller footprint but lacks some
of the power of Postgres.   MySQL may be open source , but requires
licensing for commercial use, and is, IMHO, a little less mature than
the two options mentioned above.
NurAzije - 19 Mar 2005 07:00 GMT
Does Firebird and postgreSQL have reports and forms in it as Oracle ?
Paul - 19 Mar 2005 15:43 GMT
>Does Firebird and postgreSQL have reports and forms in it as Oracle ?

No, unfortunately not. You could use Delphi though, or C++ Builder
with native components with which you can write pretty much any
programme you want against your database.

If you've ever used the TOAD, that's written in Delphi. You could also
take a look at wxwidgets.

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NurAzije - 20 Mar 2005 07:54 GMT
Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??
Paul - 20 Mar 2005 08:30 GMT
>Can I use Java for that,

Yes, you use Java if you wish.

> I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
>a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??

Flash is for the web - I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

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Noel - 20 Mar 2005 11:24 GMT
>Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
>a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??

There are good JDBC Level 4 drivers for both Firebird and PostgreSQL,
so Java is definitely an option.
NurAzije - 20 Mar 2005 12:45 GMT
Thank you very mush for your posts ...
I will use Java, about the flash I so some new small applications
workin' made by flash, it copies and deletes files and manip. w/files
and other things..
DA Morgan - 20 Mar 2005 18:49 GMT
> Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
> a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??

Why not PHP? In many respects it is far superior to Java.
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Noel - 20 Mar 2005 22:43 GMT
>> Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
>> a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??
>
>Why not PHP? In many respects it is far superior to Java.

Having used both, I would say, that with the exception of the more
complex deployment for servlets,  it is more a case of which you
happen to prefer.  However, the OP did say that he needs a good GUI,
and, leaving aside the web apps, PHP can not produce any sort of GUI
apps.  Java, on the other hand, can.
Christopher Browne - 21 Mar 2005 02:06 GMT
In the last exciting episode, Noel <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>>> Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use
>>> with a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??
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> and, leaving aside the web apps, PHP can not produce any sort of GUI
> apps.  Java, on the other hand, can.

That is _quite_ incorrect.

PHP can be and is used to produce GUI applications, directly, using
GTK <http://gtk.php.net/>, as well as indirectly, using the GTK-Server
framework (akin to the way dt-ksh graphical apps worked).
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Noel - 21 Mar 2005 08:39 GMT
>In the last exciting episode, Noel <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
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>GTK <http://gtk.php.net/>, as well as indirectly, using the GTK-Server
>framework (akin to the way dt-ksh graphical apps worked)

I stand corrected.  I had come across that option before, but it
slipped my mind.
Thomas Kellerer - 21 Mar 2005 08:51 GMT
>>Having used both, I would say, that with the exception of the more
>>complex deployment for servlets, it is more a case of which you
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> GTK <http://gtk.php.net/>, as well as indirectly, using the GTK-Server
> framework (akin to the way dt-ksh graphical apps worked).

That sounds interesting, does this work on Windows as well? (with GTK being a
Linux thing AFAIK)

Thomas
NurAzije - 21 Mar 2005 17:32 GMT
Are there some real-life examples, some projects with GTK-PHP ?
It seems very good and new..
Christopher Browne - 22 Mar 2005 04:22 GMT
Clinging to sanity, "NurAzije" <nurazije@gmail.com> mumbled into her beard:
> Are there some real-life examples, some projects with GTK-PHP ?
> It seems very good and new..

See: <http://gtk.php.net/apps/>

There are numerous applications listed...
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Christopher Browne - 21 Mar 2005 21:19 GMT
>>>Having used both, I would say, that with the exception of the more
>>>complex deployment for servlets, it is more a case of which you
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> That sounds interesting, does this work on Windows as well? (with GTK being a
> Linux thing AFAIK)

GTK isn't a "Linux thing," so I don't see why not.
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Lemming - 23 Mar 2005 01:21 GMT
>>> Can I use Java for that, I need a good GUI, or what else can I use with
>>> a good simple GUI, for example maybe Flash application ??
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>and, leaving aside the web apps, PHP can not produce any sort of GUI
>apps.  Java, on the other hand, can.

Having just developed a GUI in PHP as a replacement for an Oracle
Forms app, I have to disagree.  Of course, it might depend what you
mean by "GUI".

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NurAzije - 23 Mar 2005 08:19 GMT
So for now I see Ingres is something like Oracle, and need Java or PHP
for GUI .
NurAzije - 23 Mar 2005 08:25 GMT
Ingres ?? from where to download it, is it 100% free, an Open Source ?
DA Morgan - 23 Mar 2005 17:04 GMT
> So for now I see Ingres is something like Oracle, and need Java or PHP
> for GUI .

Something like Oracle? Depends on how you define "something." If you are
referring to the fact that it has tables and SQL yes. If you were
refering to capabilities such as rewrite, interMedia, Spatial, user
defined object data types, high availability I'd say in different
universes.
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NurAzije - 24 Mar 2005 07:32 GMT
Maybe better to say like Oracle Database with forms and reports just ;)
Noel - 20 Mar 2005 11:24 GMT
>Does Firebird and postgreSQL have reports and forms in it as Oracle ?

Nope, but I guessed you know that.  Neither does MySQL.  
michaelnewport@yahoo.com - 21 Mar 2005 20:05 GMT
> Best Regards,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thank you in advance ..

I agree they charge a lot of money.

You need Ingres.
I have worked on both and Ingres does the same except it is free.
www.ca.com
Paul - 23 Mar 2005 14:13 GMT
>You need Ingres.
>I have worked on both and Ingres does the same except it is free.
>www.ca.com

Where can I download this? I've looked at their site and it is far
from obvious.

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Paul - 23 Mar 2005 14:18 GMT
>You need Ingres.
>I have worked on both and Ingres does the same except it is free.
>www.ca.com

Found it

http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ingres/files/aa.int.wnt.ga

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