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Tsutomu Ogiwara - 26 Dec 2003 02:39 GMT
Hi all!!

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/success/cssdb.nsf/csp/tknc-5u72ge

Only for me ?

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Neil Truby - 26 Dec 2003 10:38 GMT
> Hi all!!
>
> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/success/cssdb.nsf/csp/tknc-5u72ge
>
> Only for me ?

Excellent publicity for IDS, although you have to expect that the database
element will be largely ignored by IBM in a way that it wouldn't if the
underlying database had been DB2 UDB.

On the wider issue, and going a little off-topic, how beneficial is it
really that the big boys, and especially IBM, are getting selected as
"strategic Linux partners"?  The very essence of Linux - anti-proprietary,
open-source, free entitlement-to-use - is the antithesis of what Big
Business stands for.  Don't get me wrong: I think that the comparatively
recent acceptance of Linux as a viable enterprise OS is largely due to the
involvement of the big boys, and my business has itself benefited from being
a part of IBM EMEA's Leaders for Linux initiative.  But I just wonder where
it all will end ....
David Williams - 26 Dec 2003 16:09 GMT
> Business stands for.  Don't get me wrong: I think that the comparatively
> recent acceptance of Linux as a viable enterprise OS is largely due to the
> involvement of the big boys, and my business has itself benefited from being
> a part of IBM EMEA's Leaders for Linux initiative.  But I just wonder where
> it all will end ....

 With Linux being what a standard version of UNIX could have been!
  SGI contributes XFS, IBM contributes JFS,
  Sun an improved Gnome Desktop....HP ??

  All the best bits of the various UNIX versions will get merged into one!
  Where this ends will be very interesting!
Obnoxio The Clown - 28 Dec 2003 19:44 GMT
>> Hi all!!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> a part of IBM EMEA's Leaders for Linux initiative.  But I just wonder
> where it all will end ....

Funnily enough, I am engaged in a similar debate with a particularly
pointy-haired customer, who has gone so far as to suggest that they will
not consider any commercial software for infrastructure use any more if
there is an open-source equivalent. However, they don't seem to have the
mental capacity to understand that just because something is in the same
category as an existing commercial product with 20 years' development
behind it, that it might not be a fully-function, fully equivalent
replacement.

So now they compare all the open-source application servers with each other
and then choose JBOSS. They haven't even looked at Weblogic or <shudder>
WebSphere, so they may be missing out on some vital features and
functionality, just because they want to save on licensing costs.

I'm also sceptical at this stage how good a business model this
maintenance-only approach is. So if you go wall-to-wall open source and one
or more of your vendors folds because of financial reasons, you have the
code, but then you have to divert half your business into maintaining a
piece of software that isn't essential to your business, instead of helping
your business to make money.

Still, what do I know?

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Ronald Cole - 28 Dec 2003 22:05 GMT
> On the wider issue, and going a little off-topic, how beneficial is it
> really that the big boys, and especially IBM, are getting selected as
> "strategic Linux partners"?

Beneficial to IBM?  When Big Corporations start investing in Linux
infrastructure and Linux support, I'd have to say "very".

Beneficial to me?  When Strategic Linux Partners start contributing
back to the pool of Free Software, I'd have to say "very".

It can be a win/win situation if both were to happen.

Of course, BCs and SLPs can always attempt to steal Linux (like
Linksys and SCO are trying to do) and nobody wins.

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Dragi Bonzi Raos - 29 Dec 2003 23:09 GMT
Apache project is full of IBM contributions, Eclipse is there mostly
thanks to IBM (at least initially), heck, IBM even got sued for
contributing to OSS world :-)   Sun is talking about opensourcing most
of its app server and related stuff.... I would say the situation *is*
win-win, at least at the moment, pathetic extorters from SCO
notwithstanding.

Dragi Raos

> > On the wider issue, and going a little off-topic, how beneficial is it
> > really that the big boys, and especially IBM, are getting selected as
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Of course, BCs and SLPs can always attempt to steal Linux (like
> Linksys and SCO are trying to do) and nobody wins.
Neil Truby - 30 Dec 2003 10:27 GMT
> Apache project is full of IBM contributions, Eclipse is there mostly
> thanks to IBM (at least initially), heck, IBM even got sued for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Dragi Raos

I actually acknowledged in my original mail that the involvement of IBM and
others was perhaps the single biggest factor is the acceleration of its
uptake.  I'm just saying that history suggests that the big companies do not
share the largely altruistic motives behind Open Source, and may ruin it for
everyone else in the end ...
Rob Vorbroker - 26 Dec 2003 18:16 GMT
Curious that the link document was dated 11-03 and
Redhat v 6.2 (the platform deployed upon) was two
versions behind the currently available version of the
Redhat product at that time (version 9.0 of Redhat was
GA in Sept 2003).  Of course IDS v 9.4 has been out
for quite a bit of time as well so???

Just curious...

Rob Vorbroker
--- Neil Truby <neil.truby@ardenta.com> wrote:
> "Tsutomu Ogiwara" <tsutomu_ogiwara@hotmail.com>
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> news:bsg90a$k62$1@terabinaries.xmission.com...
> >
> > Hi all!!

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/success/cssdb.nsf/csp/tknc-5u72ge

> > Only for me ?
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> But I just wonder where
> it all will end ....

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Jean Sagi - 30 Dec 2003 01:34 GMT
Neil Truby wrote:

> Excellent publicity for IDS, ...
>
> ... The very essence of Linux - anti-proprietary,
> open-source, free entitlement-to-use ...
> ... But I just wonder where it all will end ....

IDS 9.x released as open - source... (just dreaming...)

Chucho!

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