WHAT!?!?!

Daniel A. Morgan, AKA, "Mr Oracle', an IBMer?!?!?!?

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From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org]
On Behalf Of Obnoxio The Clown
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:27 AM
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Subject: Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

It's amazing what you can turn up on google:

'Daniel A. Morgan    Jun 17 2001, 1:17 am
Newsgroups: comp.databases.oracle.server
From: "Daniel A. Morgan" <dmor...@exesolutions.com> - Find messages by
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Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:16:32 -0700
Local: Sun, Jun 17 2001 1:16 am
Subject: Re: informix/oracle comparison

wayne wrote:

Beg your pardon but the web site does not claim that they will continue
to support the product for the foreseeable future. In fact it doesn't
even guarantee a new version. It says updates which I read as "bug
fixes".

And providing a path for Informix customers does not necessarily mean
new version with new features. It could mean ... migrate to DB/2
Universal Server.

I understand your loyalty to your employer. I understand you are in the
cheerleading section. But quite frankly if Informix is still being
marketed as an independent product five years from now I'll be shocked.
And as someone else pointed out ... this is the company whose commitment
to OS/2 was rock solid.

Daniel A. Morgan '

So, I wonder who this nebbish is, and whether he's counting down the 206
days till IBM discontinues support for Informix as an independent
product.

Because he couldn't be wrong, now could he?

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Bye now,
Obnoxio

"C'est pas parce qu'on n'a rien ` dire qu'il faut fermer sa gueule"
 - Coluche

did i mention i like nulls? heck, i even go so far as to say that all
columns in a table except the primary key could/should be nullable. this
has certain advantages, for example, if you need to insert a child
record and you don't have a parent row for it, just do an insert into
the parent table with the primary key value (everything else null), and
voila, relational integrity is preserved. but this is, admittedly, a bit
controversial among modellers.

--r937, dbforums.com
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The website referenced below has been taken down as it no longer
accurately reflects IBM's position regarding Informix Dynamic Server.
Informix Dynamic Server is  an IBM flagship database.  2005 has been a
banner year for IDS.  In February, we announced IDS v10.0, the most
significant enhancement to IDS since v9 was introduced in the 1990's.
In April, we followed with the introduction of IDS Express Edition for
small to medium businesses.  In October, Express Runtime for IDS was
introduced by IBM Software Group to provide ISV's an integrated
web-based infrastructure based on WebSphere Application Server Express
and IDS Express.  Earlier this month, we made our Level 5 PHP driver
for IDS available for Beta.  And the year is not over.  By year end, we
plan to make our Oracle to IDS Migration Tool Kit (MTK) available.  And
we've started planning for new IDS and IDS based products in 2006.

While we don't typically set detail plans five years in advance, IDS
vNext is underway and customers and business partners will be very
pleased with many of the features planned for this release.  We will
begin high level discussions for IDS vNext+ in 2006.  We will be
forming an IDS Customer Advisory Council in 2006 to help guide our
future product directions and provide feedback on existing products.

A couple of things that have been discussed since the acquisition will
not happen.  IDS and DB2 will not merge.  IDS customers will not be
required to move to DB2.

We are working to grow our business through direct customers and
through business partners.  We are working to get business partners
enabled to IDS v10.0 and recruiting new business partners to build
applications on IDS.  We are playing offense and we have a very
ambitious goal.

Christine Normile
IDS Product Manager
IBM Software Group
Information Management

Email      Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com

He did actually say " ...is still being *marketed* ..." (my emphasis).
Also, it's actually 207 days until 17/06/2006.

Come on guys, I don't want to give any credit to that original e-mail! It is
far too easy to recover something from 3 years ago and say it is "news"!
That's not only crap, it reflects an unsain attitude and thinking (which of
course, as we are on cdi...).

Fellows, IBM has proven to deliver continuing support and RESEARCH &
DEVELOPMENT budget to IDS and all Informix products.

Do I fully agree with all things done by IBM? Certainly not, but they do not
let go IDS and Informix: (from the IIUG standpoint) we have cuctomers,
users, partners that tell us they see good things being done in that
directions! You even have ADVERTISING on Informix (And they thank IIUG for
doing that)! So come on, upgrade your mind! Turn from a SE brain to an IDS
v10 Multithreaded brain and stop looking at 3 year old news...

Couldn't resist... Apologies to the ones I annoyed...

jgp

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Captain Pedantic said:

Well, duh! But he did say that it would already be over by the 17th, so
the 16th is the last day for it to happen. So there. :op

Does anyone know precisely what is supposed to happen by June 16/17, 2006?
Or why someone suspects something will happen by that date?

Christine Normile
Informix Dynamic Server Product Manager
IBM Software Group
Information Management

Email      Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com

Captain Pedantic said:

Well, duh! But he did say that it would already be over by the 17th, so
the 16th is the last day for it to happen. So there. :op

--
Bye now,
Obnoxio
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Pedantic

2006?

    Nothing, except that it is exactly five years after Daniel
Morgan prophesied this, "quite frankly if Informix is still being
marketed as an independent product five years from now I'll be shocked."
Accordingly, we all expect Mr. Morgan to be shocked on June 17th.

                --EEM

November 23, 1963: Premier of Dr. Who on BBC.

the

emphasis).

so

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Thanks!  I will plan accordingly.

Christine Normile
Informix Dynamic Server Product Manager
IBM Software Group
Information Management

Email      Christine.Normile@us.ibm.com

EEM said: >

shocked."

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RollForward Wizard said:

<takes a very, very, VERY deep breath>

Aren't you the chap that just scored the greatest IDS gig somewhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-informix-list@iiug.org [mailto:owner-informix-list@iiug.org]
On Behalf Of david@smooth1.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 12:44 PM
To: informix-list@iiug.org
Subject: Re: Shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Very soon...I'm going to be kicking IBM up the arse real soon now.

Planned to do it from within the IIUG but after the fuckup I'm going to
have to do it in public. Great so I'll be giving ammo to Oracle/MSoft.
F**king Brilliant.
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