Curious -
Two questions -
1) How many of your ifmx engines are at 500 transactions per second or
greater?
2) anyone have any oracle engines in that range?
Thanks!
Mark Scranton
Xtivia Inc.
Ian Michael Gumby - 28 Jan 2008 14:24 GMT
Yes and yes.But you have to better define what you consider a transaction.> From: mark.scranton@gmail.com> Subject: TPS> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:09:35 -0800> To: informix-list@iiug.org> > Curious -> > Two questions -> > 1) How many of your ifmx engines are at 500 transactions per second or> greater?> > 2) anyone have any oracle engines in that range?> > Thanks!> Mark Scranton> Xtivia Inc.> _______________________________________________> Informix-list mailing list> Informix-list@iiug.org> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list
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Jack Parker - 29 Jan 2008 00:46 GMT
I'm curious as to why anyone would request Oracle TPS numbers in an Informix
group. I do not see a crosspost on this in c.d.o.. I would be suspicious
of any conclusions drawn from answers to such an apparently one-sided
question.
cheers
j.
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Curious -
Two questions -
1) How many of your ifmx engines are at 500 transactions per second or
greater?
2) anyone have any oracle engines in that range?
Thanks!
Mark Scranton
Xtivia Inc.
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mark.scranton@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 01:53 GMT
> I'm curious as to why anyone would request Oracle TPS numbers in an Informix
> group. I do not see a crosspost on this in c.d.o.. I would be suspicious
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One-sided? How's that Jack? Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone had such
numbers for a current client that is in the midst of the "should be
move to Oracle" battle. Strange response to my post no doubt...
Mark
Jack Parker - 29 Jan 2008 04:56 GMT
Mark,
You have asked a multi-dimensional question in a single dimensional manner
and forum. If you want a comparative answer then you need to crosspost to
c.d.o (perhaps you have and I didn't see it). You also need to call out
details of the transactions in question - hardware, volume, rowcount,
interface. One cannot offer an answer to such a topic without qualifying it
with respect to these dimensions. Sure I drive my car at 100, but is that
KPH or MPH? That is half of the reason behind the Oracle license (though
shalt not publish benchmarks) - the other half is, of course, DBA skill.
I cannot answer the clients basic question. It may very well make sense for
them to move to Oracle, or not. In my years of dealing with this sort of
situation, I have yet to see it come down to technical details. That in and
of itself may be telling enough.
Regards,
Jack Parker
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On Jan 28, 4:46 pm, "Jack Parker" <jack.park...@verizon.net> wrote:
> I'm curious as to why anyone would request Oracle TPS numbers in an Informix
> group. I do not see a crosspost on this in c.d.o.. I would be suspicious
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One-sided? How's that Jack? Perhaps I wanted to see if anyone had such
numbers for a current client that is in the midst of the "should be
move to Oracle" battle. Strange response to my post no doubt...
Mark
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Ian Michael Gumby - 29 Jan 2008 19:49 GMT
Mark, then why don't you actually say something to that effect?
You say "Hey! anyone doing fast OLTP in Oracle and Informix?" And the answer is yes.
They someone else gives some more detail but doesn't really say what is going on and is asking for information that hey! I can't give due to NDAs.
If you had asked the question :"Hey! I have a situation where the customer is facing a request to migrate to Oracle and I'm wondering about a comparison to Oracle..." Then I could have given you a pat answer.
The answer to your question is the following:
Yes, you can migrate to Oracle.
You will have to spend more on hardware to get the performance you require.
You will have to spend more on staff to maintain the engine.
You will have to spend more money on upgrades to your hardware if you want to scale.
BUT, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THIS MIGRATION IS FOR A ZERO NET GAIN IN EITHER FEATURES AND FUNCTIONALITY. YOU WILL INCUR RISK AND EXPENSE FOR NO NET NEW FEATURES.
Which will tell you that you don't want to migrate.
NOTE: Because Daniel is here and I do work with multiple databases...
THE LAST FACT IS TRUE IF YOU'RE GOING FROM ORACLE TO INFORMIX. You *will* incur expense and risk with no net gain in features, therefore you have to have a compelling reason to switch databases.
(We're talking about an apples to apples migration)
Does that make sense?
So what you need to do is to identify the person asking for the migration and determine the compelling reason for the switch.
THEN ADDRESS THAT!
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Richard Kofler - 30 Jan 2008 16:45 GMT
mark.scranton@gmail.com schrieb:
> Curious -
>
> Two questions -
>
> 1) How many of your ifmx engines are at 500 transactions per second or
> greater?
close to 500 - yes.
This customer's transactions are counted at the application servers, though.
So what might be a database TX?
We know that on average 1 appTX does 4.1 commits
The customer must run the database(s) in log mode ANSI.
The app is (buf)read : (buf)write like 45 : 55.
Using info posted later than my answer, I cannot judge if a comparison
is possible.
But some figures, which I hope I am allowed to post, as they are outdated meanwhile:
IDS version is V10. Hardware is comparably cheap, but 'hand selected & assembled'
-> NO 'big iron', NO AIX, NO SOL10 but a Linux Kernel where scheduler and I/O scheduler
are non standard. The database server is NOT using FC-AL for I/O,
but (2x) 4 x 10Gbit Ethernet. No switches are in the way.
IDS runs with 96 CPUvps on _very_ fast threaded CPUs.
Memory thruput is close to 80,000 2KB buffer attaches per CPUvp and second.
This number is from synthetical benchmarks.
We almost have no buffer contention. The pool is huuuge. DDR3 multilane memory
is very fast.
3 different sizes of buffers are in use to keep contention as low as possible.
Peak load is doing almost zero physical read I/O apart from physical I/O which
is done on real SSDs (18,000 IOPS each), not on flash memory, which is slow
and IMHO does not deserve the same name, 'SSD'
> 2) anyone have any oracle engines in that range?
no, and the 2 who tried to go there with comparable loads were
rather diasappointed by RACs thruput and went further, switching to
postgres at the end.
But both were NOT commercial cutomers in the traditional sense.
Hope this answers your question.
dic_k
> Thanks!
> Mark Scranton
> Xtivia Inc.

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Ian Michael Gumby - 30 Jan 2008 17:54 GMT
Mark,
Essentially you asked a very stupid question.
You gave no sort of point of reference to let us form an answer.
And yes, I know who you are.... ;-)
Look,
I guess you never went through the solution selling methodology training so I'm going to cut you some slack and explain it to you....
You have failed to identify and understand the customer's pain. They talk about wanting to move to Oracle.
The question is why? What are the motivating factors.
You need to ask these question(s) in order to solicit their pain points.
You also need to understand that these pains are most likely not technical in nature.
It doesn't matter what technical mumbo jumbo you throw in front of the customer, because until you understand their pain, you're not offering them a viable solution. If a customer is unwilling to state their pains then you're column fodder and should walk away from the deal. A simple example... someone from the IBM sales team pissed them off to the point that become an "Anybody but IBM" type of customer. (And yes, they do exist....)
>From a technical perspective. What you ask can be done in either oracle, DB2, IDS, etc ... if you build a fast enough and big enough bread box. Thats why benchmark issues are really becoming secondary.
-G
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It could also be the messenger Mark. ;-)
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