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Database Forum / Informix Topics / July 2008Riddle me this...
Why is K-Sears looking for a Java Architect for their "down town" location and mentions everything but IDS? All open source btw. Very interesting. _________________________________________________________________ Enter the Zune-A-Day Giveaway for your chance to win — day after day after day http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_ Zune_V1 >Why is K-Sears looking for a Java Architect for their "down town" location = >and mentions everything but IDS? >All open source btw. > >Very interesting. besides demonstrating yet again that you are a moron, what other point you are trying to make by this post. On Jul 3, 4:40 pm, dcrunch...@aim.com wrote: > In article <mailman.1315.1215105867.20610.informix-l...@iiug.org>, Ian Michael > Gumby says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > besides demonstrating yet again that you are a moron, what > other point you are trying to make by this post. Well if you knew K-Sears and the players in power, what I said would have meaning. To those who read this and know K-Sears, it sends a very important message. To those like you who lack comprehension, it shows your own stupidity. >Well if you knew K-Sears and the players in power, what I said would >have meaning. >To those who read this and know K-Sears, it sends a very important >message. > >To those like you who lack comprehension, it shows your own stupidity. Don't think too much of yourself. Everyone knows that Kmart and Sears are big time Informix customers. So what if IDS is not mentioned. Does it mention RDBMS skills. Why don't u paste it instead of posting idiotic pop quiz. On Jul 3, 7:27 pm, dcrunch...@aim.com wrote: > In article <bea29302-951c-4d09-a6a4-5960de77e...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > Ian Michael Gumby says... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Don't think too much of yourself. I don't. I just think less of you for shooting your mouth off and not knowing what's up. > Everyone knows that Kmart and Sears are big time Informix customers. > So what if IDS is not mentioned. Does it mention RDBMS skills. Why don't > u paste it instead of posting idiotic pop quiz. It did. It mentioned MySQL. Essentially they wanted a LAMP stack expertise. What is interesting is that they want LAMP and that this is for a downtown position. Again if you knew Sears and K-Mart now K-Sears, you'd understand what I'm talking about. As to the relevancy of the job post, I'm not sure how IDS plays in to this. This is why I said that it was interesting. So K-Sears, as a major retailer, has multiple RDBMS? In Europe this would be pretty normal. It allows a level of negotiation between suppliers. is it not the same in North America? It is the same in North America. -----Original Message----- From: informix-list-bounces@iiug.org [mailto:informix-list-bounces@iiug.org] On Behalf Of scottishpoet Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:57 PM To: informix-list@iiug.org Subject: Re: Riddle me this... So K-Sears, as a major retailer, has multiple RDBMS? In Europe this would be pretty normal. It allows a level of negotiation between suppliers. is it not the same in North America? _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ > So K-Sears, as a major retailer, has multiple RDBMS? > > In Europe this would be pretty normal. It allows a level of > negotiation between suppliers. > > is it not the same in North America? Not exactly. You have your store's POS, your warehouse/distribution centers inventory control ..., and then you have your financial/ERP system. There are some other areas too. "Parts by Phone/Web", Online store orders, bridal registry, specialty stores like Sears Auto, etc ... Now your store systems could be on Informix. Your warehouse could be using EXE which uses Informix. Your financials could be on Oracle / Informix / DB2. You could also have a Teradata system as a DW. And then there's the mainframe handling your overall transaction systems being fed from individual stores. Some retail chains have used a technique of batch processing credit card transactions, especially if they're using a store brand credit card. So your transaction is approved and then processed later that night. So yes, you have multiple databases. Again, you have to understand where LAMP could/would fit and where IDS fits, and then the "players" and history. Your major number of licenses will be in the store systems. What is interesting is that Sears moved from the loop and downtown out to Hoffman Estates, many, many moons ago. K-Mart moved from Detroit to Hoffman Estates. So why now is Sears doing something downtown? (That's interesting in and of itself.) Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system either. But hey! What do I know? I just saw the help wanted ad, and started to ask questions. Its not like I know anything about retail systems or about K-Mart or Sear's histories with IBM and Informix.... Nah. I know nothing. ;-) -G >> So K-Sears, as a major retailer, has multiple RDBMS? >> > Now your store systems could be on Informix. Your warehouse could be > using EXE which uses Informix. Exceed now has an Oracle port due to customer demand. > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system > either. Don't be so sure. MySQL, Perl, Apache, PHP are all used for online applications. Does that make it right? Information Technology has evolved, so too have open sores applications. And with the advent of AJAX apps, toolkits, and the AJAX trend, many applications formerly thought of as only for jsp or only for <gasp> asp are being seriously done in PHP with AJAX. The natural choice for a lot of this for a db is MySQL. And many of those young folks that IBM missed and Informix missed are using MySQL quite seriously, with the same passion found here for Informix. IBM/Informix have lost that generation, and will never get it--they don't have the mental horsepower to understand the LAMP Market, never did, never will. It will be impossible for anyone here or at IBM to ever get the LAMP market, it just is physically and mentally impossible for IBM to get anything outside their box. IBM is populated with too many stupid people that are only interested in the status quo. And of course I challenge any of you at IBM to prove me wrong. You won't be able to. > > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse > > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system > > either. > > Don't be so sure. Oh I am sure. We're not talking about an Apropos client with 40 stores (max). We're talking about a retailer with probably 20+ warehouse distribution sites, and over 120 stores or more. Not including the specialty stores. LAMP doesn't fill that need. LAMP could realistically fit one area. Store systems. On a side note. I was in my vet's office the other day. We had the first appointment for our cat's annual vaccines so when we got there, they were booting up their systems. Saw something very old and somewhat familiar. its the spinning "bar" icon. If memory serves me, its the old SCO icon. Unless there's another OS that used it during the boot process. Ian Michael Gumby said: >> > Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse >> > distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > LAMP could realistically fit one area. Store systems. I disagree, having seen a retailer trying to deploy their store systems using LAMP. As far as I can tell, LAMP is suitable only for proofs of concept. But hey! What do I know?  SignatureBye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." On Jul 7, 1:39 am, "Obnoxio The Clown" <obno...@serendipita.com> wrote: > Ian Michael Gumby said: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > -- Well you "knew" enough to get out of Cape Town. ;-) I don't disagree with your assessment. There's more to LAMP that most people think. And if you know what you are doing, you could use it to build a POS system, aka a Store system. (Its really a combo between POS and local Inventory control. The issue is that you tend to lose the need for Apache and PHP when you do the POS system which could be specialized software apps which are probably going to be more efficient. Especially when you consider controlling the cash draw, bar code / RFID code scanner, etc ... But I've seen people put on the rose colored glasses and not think about what they were doing and were more infatuated that they knew the knew technology and that they could "invent" a web 2.0 solution. The only real difficulty of having a specialized app developed would be deployment. And even there, there are ways of making it easier. Ian Michael Gumby said: > Well you "knew" enough to get out of Chicago. ;-) Damn straight! :o> SignatureBye now, Obnoxio "There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the Labour Party. They promised you order, they promised you peace, and all they demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent." >> Second, you don't use LAMP in building/maintaining a warehouse >> distribution system. You don't use LAMP on your core financial system [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > MySQL, Perl, Apache, PHP are all used for online applications. Does that > make it right? Can't answer that one. But I can tell you that those people without those skills, or who refused to work on them, were not employed. If you write for love ... write poetry. If you write for money ... write code. Rarely do the two appear on the same HR requisition. SignatureDaniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) [SNIP[ What the snot are you talking about? You're a piece of work who's not even a good Oracle Hack. If you're going to join the discussion, then talk about something on topic. Note that Sears or Wal*Mart, HomeDepot etc are ever going to be an Oracle shop. Hell, I'm working at an Oracle shop and you should hear some of the complaints. Oh the stories I could say, but you're going to have to wait at least 3 months and then 6months after. (For some reason they keep extending my contract. Maybe its because I can actually write code? I guess the day I can't, I'll teach. ;-) The point is that K-Sears put up a job offering looking for a senior architect that groks LAMP. Now if you know anything about retail. (Which you don't), And if you know anything about the players at K- Sears (Which you don't) Then you'd have to wonder why they want a LAMP architect and why they want one downtown and not at Hoffman Estates. Hey Daniel, I heard that the govt of Zimbabwe wanted to get out of Agriculture and try and become the next high tech area in Africa. They're looking for a couple of good Oracle teachers to help jump start their program. Why don't you give them a call? Remember to put down the ZANPU-PF party as a bunch of hooligans. ;-) > [SNIP[ > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > start their program. Why don't you give them a call? Remember to put > down the ZANPU-PF party as a bunch of hooligans. ;-) Ok so Nordstrom isn't retail. I'll remember that. Ok so Amazon.com isn't retail. I'll remember that too. One of these days you are, hopefully, going to puzzle out the difference between attitude and aptitude. I know enough about LAMP to know that you are out of your element making the statements you are making. It isn't about Oracle ... The only person that mentioned it was you. SignatureDaniel A. Morgan University of Washington damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond) > Why is K-Sears looking for a Java Architect for their "down town" > location and mentions everything but IDS? Because IDS requires so very little hand's on expertise that special skills aren't needed? > > Why is K-Sears looking for a Java Architect for their "down town" > > location and mentions everything but IDS? > > Because IDS requires so very little hand's on expertise that special > skills aren't needed? Naw. That's not it. Remember they are an old, long time Informix account. Jeff B. was their original sales rep when they were still in the Sears Tower and PT's tower 4 was corporate rentals split between Anderson and Sears. That's going way back to '89. ;-) You have to look at K-Sear's new management and the last couple of years of history. IGS losing the contract, CSC winning the contract and then losing it... Add to this some execs who came from Monkey Wards... Its a very interesting mix. |
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