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Why the IDS Community should be hopping mad!

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Ian Michael Gumby - 19 Sep 2008 14:28 GMT
Call me a nut. I don't care.

I support all of the major databases except SQLServer, but I might
start learning it for the hell of it.
Informix wasn't my first database. Prior to Informix I dealt a bit
with 4Phase, Progress, and my own proprietary database for a fetal
anatomy study project done under an NSF grant when I was a senior in
high school and the summer before college.

But Informix caught my attention because of the elegance of its design
and the attention paid to details. Sure it had some warts, but with
each revision, the worst of them were removed.

After Phil White left the building, the next 3 CEOs were fools. Ok PG
wasn't a fool. He was a horse trader and wanted to cash out of his
investment and move on to the next big deal. You have to respect that.

Under IBM, Janet wanted to slowly kill IDS and relegate it to the same
status as IMS, something that IBM still supports today.

But the truth is that IDS is a great product. There are features in
11.5 that are still ahead of the pack and its still one of the best
general purpose rdbms on the market today.

But don't tell that to IBM. They don't get it. They're just willing to
sell it and make money off the product while putting the least amount
of skin in the game. After all, DB2 is still their flagship. (Even
though it should be relegated to the AS/400 and Mainframe
environments. (Hint: The tale of the numbers speak for themselves.)
In fact IBM would make more money if they did move DB2 distributed out
of the picture and focused on IDS ...

11.5. It has the features that if marketed will make every CEO/CIO
take a double look at it. And that's all it takes to get to Column B.
(Ok, so unless you understand SSM, Column B makes no sense. Talk to
your IBM sales rep and ask him about column fodder.)

Just think if IBM knew how to sell IDS, how much more money and market
share they could capture.
Ambush isn't a database guy so he wouldn't understand how or why this
is possible. Nor would he be willing to spend the money to do POCs.

So, call me a nut. Tell me I don't know what I'm talking about when
I'm probably the only one who's dealt more with S&D than anyone here.
I've also written more than $15 Million of IBM Lab services paper,
more than anyone here can even come close to writing and owning.

I've never bashed the IDS product. Just the incompetent lackeys who
don't want to actually sell and promote the product.

In truth. IBM can't sell it. Sure you have Marty in the North East, a
couple of other SEs in NY, but there are only a handful of SEs in the
US who know and understand IDS.  C'mon Carlton, you're an SE. Go do
the numbers and tell me that I'm wrong?

Tell me that there are more than 3 IT Specialists in the midwest who
can talk intelligently and support IDS?

If you're a supporter of the product, you should be angry too.

Or you can just keep sipping the blue ooze and believe that TPC
benchmarks and change are "just around the corner."

But hey! What do I know?

-G
Zachi - 19 Sep 2008 15:08 GMT
> Call me a nut. I don't care.
>
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>
> -G

OK, I'll call you a nut. Get a life. You have been repeating this for
the past several months and bashing about it with other fine members
of the IDS community and other communities (i.e. Oracle guys). There
are a dozen of you who keep on wasting bandwidth. And you know what?
The only people who should indeed care are not reading this (that is
IBM management). So let's just move on and discuss things that we
actually can change or use in our work. Or open your own group:
comp.databases.informix-whiners could be a good name.

Zachi
InDeep - 19 Sep 2008 15:50 GMT
> OK, I'll call you a nut. Get a life. You have been repeating this for
> the past several months and bashing about it with other fine members
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>
> Zachi

Almost word-for-word what they said about porting Informix to Linux!

*<8o)

It's deja-vu all over again!
Ian Michael Gumby - 19 Sep 2008 17:12 GMT
> From: indeep@indeep.com
> Subject: Re: Why the IDS Community should be hopping mad!
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> It's deja-vu all over again!

Yeah but how many people know the whole truth about that?

It was over 10 years ago and a lot of people have selective memory.

I just loved the fact that Informix tried to keep it secret and a day before their scheduled announcement, Oracle trumps them with vaporware.

I wish some would also remember the swift move by Janet to convince SAP to dump IDS ports.
Too many people were crying after the fact when they should have been more proactive.

BTW, rumor has it that there are people within IBM's IM management team who do read what I say.
Maybe they might take action, but most likely not. Seems they have more pressing issues. I mean with the global economy sputtering at times, they have a lot of smaller battles to fight and not enough time to look at the bigger picture. ;-)

But hey! What can I say?

-G

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InDeep - 19 Sep 2008 21:41 GMT
>> From: indeep@indeep.com
>> Subject: Re: Why the IDS Community should be hopping mad!
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> -G

Gumbeeeeeeeee

IBM has to prepare for the inevitable loss that McCain will go through,
and how they will lobby the new administration for more offshore tax
breaks and get more offshores here to replace Americans.  They can't
possibly have time for IDS or marketing Informix as a brand.  I'd lay
low till after the end of January 2009, and then revisit marketing IDS.
It's not like it's going anywhere--they've already missed so many good
opportunities, especially since Ambush doesn't really know anything
about the database market, and he's really not into the game at all, I
mean what would he possibly know coming from India, they have no real
idea how Americans think anyway..... Q4 will be a time for IBM to prep
their lobbyists where IBM is making the most money.

-ID-
Obnoxio The Clown - 19 Sep 2008 21:51 GMT
> I
> mean what would he possibly know coming from India, they have no real
> idea how Americans think anyway.....
>  

Yeah, because only Americans care, right?

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Neil Truby - 19 Sep 2008 22:50 GMT
>> I mean what would he possibly know coming from India, they have no real
>> idea how Americans think anyway.....
>
> Yeah, because only Americans care, right?

Well IBM is a US company, and all the major strategic decisons are therefore
taken in the US; I guess that's what he means.

As an admirer - and keen and impartial student - of America I'm sure that
the whole premise of his posting - that the US is heading for a Democratic
presidency - is just plain wrong anyway.
InDeep - 19 Sep 2008 23:27 GMT
>>> I mean what would he possibly know coming from India, they have no real
>>> idea how Americans think anyway.....
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> that the whole premise of his posting - that the US is heading for a
> Democratic presidency - is just plain wrong anyway.

*<8o)

Whatever you say Neil... the numbers look a little different than your assertion:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
Obnoxio The Clown - 19 Sep 2008 23:33 GMT
>  
>>    
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>
>  

Well, we had a decade of Blairism, good luck with yours. ;o)

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InDeep - 20 Sep 2008 00:16 GMT
>>  
>>>    
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>
> Well, we had a decade of Blairism, good luck with yours. ;o)

Can't wait to get script-reader-gw out of office and a swift boot for his surrogate
script-reader McCain kicked to the curb as well... geez neither one can speak without
reading a script written by their lobbyists.
Obnoxio The Clown - 20 Sep 2008 01:19 GMT
> Can't wait to get script-reader-gw out of office and a swift boot for his surrogate
> script-reader McCain kicked to the curb as well... geez neither one can speak without
> reading a script written by their lobbyists.
>  
Yes, well, we have just seen the departure of a great orator and
media-friendly master of gladhandling, who had no problem fielding
discussions at great length without the benefit of a script, who was
charming and engaging and rode to power on the back of a massive surge
of hope for a change. He also had a bunch of lefty policies dressed up
in business-friendly rhetoric, no principles, dodgy associates, peculiar
religious leanings and a shrew for a wife.

I am fully aware that a) I don't have a vote, b) it's none of my
business and c) you can't change people's vote. Nor would I want to. But
I've seen enough of Tony Blair over the last decade to recognise him
when I see him in the States with a healthy tan. We'll chat again in
four years' time, I'm sure. :o)

PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size of
your federal government. ;o)

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InDeep - 20 Sep 2008 01:29 GMT
> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size of
> your federal government. ;o)

We don't have a lot of choices do we...

*<8o)
Obnoxio The Clown - 20 Sep 2008 01:37 GMT
>  
>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> We don't have a lot of choices do we...
>  

You could always vote Libertarian. ;o)

Seriously, I look around the world and I see the same thing: big parties
that are interchangeable and people getting tired of the same old same
old. But when they make their cross, they will still choose one of the
big two or three or whatever. They won't step out of their comfort zone
and look seriously at something which has never been given a chance:
freeing everybody from the tyranny of the majority. Everybody seems to
believe that it's up to the government to save us from the fuckups they
themselves have created by letting them create more fuckups.

It's like the man said, it doesn't matter who you vote for, the
government still gets in. Until people rethink their relationship with
government, it isn't really going to make much difference who you vote for.

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InDeep - 20 Sep 2008 02:04 GMT
>>  
>>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> government still gets in. Until people rethink their relationship with
> government, it isn't really going to make much difference who you vote for.

I saw the UK version of the Libertarian party, but wasn't sure if that's the
same Libertarian party over here.  Even if they're the same, the 2-party system
here basically forces you to vote R or D or throw your vote away.  FWIW I am a
big Libertarian at heart, but basically think it's all up to big govt taking
big money from big corporations and the rest of us just going thru the motions
not to mention that 80% of the people in this country shouldn't be allowed to
vote because they really don't give a sh.t, and end up keeping things status
quo, not unlike IBM.  *<8o)
Ian Michael Gumby - 20 Sep 2008 22:06 GMT
> It's like the man said, it doesn't matter who you vote for, the
> government still gets in. Until people rethink their relationship with
> government, it isn't really going to make much difference who you vote for.

Hmmm I wonder what your thoughts are on Zuma.

It seems he's in the catbird seat and the current president of South
Africa just resigned.
Then you have to the north, a powersharing agreement where the old
guard wants to remain in control.

While we think our political systems are corrupt, there are a lot
worse things that could happen. Just look at several countries in
Africa.
Obnoxio The Clown - 20 Sep 2008 22:14 GMT
>  
>> It's like the man said, it doesn't matter who you vote for, the
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> Africa.
>  

Zuma, Mugabe, Mbeki .. they all look the same to me. :o)

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Ian Michael Gumby - 22 Sep 2008 12:50 GMT
> Zuma, Mugabe, Mbeki .. they all look the same to me. :o)

Oh you bad, bad man. :-P

Zimbabwe has the worst level of inflation since post WW1 Germany.
Their currency is actually not currency but bank notes.
(I'm trying to get about $100 USD worth for historical purposes)
Obnoxio The Clown - 22 Sep 2008 13:01 GMT
> Zimbabwe has the worst level of inflation since post WW1 Germany.
> Their currency is actually not currency but bank notes.
> (I'm trying to get about $100 USD worth for historical purposes)
>  

You must have a lot of space in your house.

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Ian Michael Gumby - 22 Sep 2008 14:56 GMT
> > Zimbabwe has the worst level of inflation since post WW1 Germany.
> > Their currency is actually not currency but bank notes.
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>
> http://obotheclown.blogspot.com

LOL.. I wanted the large denomination bank notes. I was going to put
them in a frame along with a reprint of one of the articles talking
about the high rate of inflation.

Actually that would be a good business for their government to get in
to. They'd be selling currency that would never get used for hard
cash.
RedGrittyBrick - 22 Sep 2008 20:02 GMT
> Zimbabwe [...]  currency is actually not currency but bank notes.

That applies where you live too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar#Banknotes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Note

"A Federal Reserve Note [...] is a type of banknote issued by the
Federal Reserve System and is the only type of U.S. banknote that is
still produced today. Federal Reserve Notes are fiat currency,"

I think you are confusing bank notes with "Agro cheques".

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Captain Pedantic - 20 Sep 2008 08:54 GMT
>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size of
>> your federal government. ;o)
>
> We don't have a lot of choices do we...

Governor Palin seems to have shored up the MILF vote ....
InDeep - 20 Sep 2008 17:33 GMT
>>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
>>> of your federal government. ;o)
>>
>> We don't have a lot of choices do we...
>
> Governor Palin seems to have shored up the MILF vote ....

If McCain is voted in, wife and I are trying to figure out what to do, so please
help me decide on which option here or other ideas...

1.  Move to a US border town and help illegal aliens cross the border more safely.

2.  Learn French and move to the south of France and wait tables or tend bar.

3.  Move to Viet Nam and teach English and help set up new offshore work centers.

4.  Move to India and teach English, and help people migrate to the US.

5.  Move to China and teach English and help people migrate to the US.

6.  Stay here in the US, wait tables, tend bar, shoot porn movies,
    and clean houses owned by offshores once owned by US Citizens.

7.  Start a new church and religion here in the US, work on porn movies in spare time.
    ( Need to find Palin look-alikes for this )

8.  Move to New Zealand and tend sheep, work on porn movies and porn sites in spare time.

9.  Work at local WalMart stocking shelves or as a cashier and brag about Informix
    software as the behind-the-scenes powerhouse.

10. Continue to work in IT, teach English to offshores, and recommend bad software
    to get even with management for reducing my wages and offshoring our jobs.

Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated...

-ID-
Paul Watson (Oninit) - 20 Sep 2008 18:05 GMT
>>>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
>>>> of your federal government. ;o)
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> -ID-

Apart from moving to France all would work :-)

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Paul
Mark Townsend - 20 Sep 2008 19:57 GMT
>> If McCain is voted in, wife and I are trying to figure out what to do,
>> so please
>> help me decide on which option here or other ideas...

>> 8.  Move to New Zealand and tend sheep, work on porn movies and porn
>> sites in spare time.

> Apart from moving to France all would work :-)
>
> Cheers
> Paul

I don't believe knowing Informix would give you enough points to get
into New Zealand - http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/smcpromo/
Obnoxio The Clown - 20 Sep 2008 20:08 GMT
> I don't believe knowing Informix would give you enough points to get
> into New Zealand - http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/smcpromo/
>  

I'm afraid it does.

MINT SAUCE! :o)

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Ian Michael Gumby - 20 Sep 2008 22:09 GMT
> > I don't believe knowing Informix would give you enough points to get
> > into New Zealand -http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migrant/smcpromo/
>
> I'm afraid it does.
>
> MINT SAUCE! :o)

Canibal
Paul Watson (Oninit) - 20 Sep 2008 14:11 GMT
>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
>> of your federal government. ;o)
>
> We don't have a lot of choices do we...
>
> *<8o)

All politicians should be boiled alive in their own vomit

I've always wondered what would happen if no one and I mean no one voted
at all

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Paul
Fernando Nunes - 20 Sep 2008 17:53 GMT
>>> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
>>> of your federal government. ;o)
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Cheers
> Paul

Monarchy, absolutism, anarchy or dictatorship...
Let me quote Sir Winston Churchill:

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that
have been tried"

Regards

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Ian Michael Gumby - 20 Sep 2008 22:07 GMT
> >> PS If Obama wins, watch what happens to your tax levels and the size
> >> of your federal government. ;o)
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> I've always wondered what would happen if no one and I mean no one voted
> at all

No wonder you still wear a Sex Pistol's T-Shirt. :-)
Ian Michael Gumby - 20 Sep 2008 22:03 GMT
> >>>> I mean what would he possibly know coming from India, they have no real
> >>>> idea how Americans think anyway.....
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>
> Well, we had a decade of Blairism, good luck with yours. ;o)

And isn't Gordon Brown of the same party?
Obnoxio The Clown - 20 Sep 2008 22:13 GMT
>  
>>    
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> And isn't Gordon Brown of the same party?
>  

Frankly, in the UK, they're ALL in the same party. You couldn't fit a
Rizla between any of them.

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