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Informix on Campus Program

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eric@herber-consulting.de - 22 Sep 2008 20:50 GMT
Want your vote on this:

http://www.informix-zone.com/node/569

Thank you.
InDeep - 22 Sep 2008 22:13 GMT
Good work Eric!

I've been preaching this for years.  You've got to get students involved early
in learning about databases.  Informix's doc team put out a great book on SQL
over 10 years ago, still one of the best reads.  Todays' students are tomorrows'
database engineers and managers.

-ID-

> Want your vote on this:
>
> http://www.informix-zone.com/node/569
>
> Thank you.
Ian Michael Gumby - 22 Sep 2008 22:20 GMT
> Good work Eric!
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> > Thank you.

How do you think Sun Microsystems got to be so big?
(Do you remember the Sun 3/60 workstations?)
InDeep - 23 Sep 2008 04:55 GMT
>> Good work Eric!
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> How do you think Sun Microsystems got to be so big?
> (Do you remember the Sun 3/60 workstations?)

Do you think Sun today is different from the Sun of say, hmmmm... 1995?
Ian Michael Gumby - 24 Sep 2008 00:17 GMT
> >> Good work Eric!
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> Do you think Sun today is different from the Sun of say, hmmmm... 1995?

1995? Hmmm, I was thinking more late 80's. 3/60 workstations, some in
tandem config so we could build and boot Xinu for our Operating
Systems class.
Then there were the Sun 460 servers .... ;-)

The point is that Sun Micro boomed in the 90's because the students at
the Universities worked on Sun. Remember Apollo workstations? ...

But yeah good things come to an end. Sun almost bankrupted IBM and
then Lou came in and made IBM a services company. Sun is still a
hardware company and hasn't really leveraged their Java to their
advantage. Unlike Oracle, Microsoft and now Google, Sun never really
developed a killer instinct.

-G
scottishpoet - 24 Sep 2008 12:18 GMT
when I was a student in the late 1980s we had a DEC VAX and a Prime

No I am approaching my 40s I am now a "decision maker" when deciding
what hardware and software to purchase

Our RDBMS was MIMER and used a language called MQL

I doubt I would buy MIMER, a DEC VAX or a Prime

Lot of good it did them!
Jörg Volz - 24 Sep 2008 13:04 GMT
ok, late 80s and DEC VAX (are they still build??? I never worked with VAX)

I had first contact with Informix on a Nixdorf Targon running under some *nix  n 1991/1992.
I am decision maker and I am very happy with IDS since 1992, but I would never have bought a Targon...  
So I think it is worth a try.


Joerg Volz


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when I was a student in the late 1980s we had a DEC VAX and a Prime

No I am approaching my 40s I am now a "decision maker" when deciding
what hardware and software to purchase

Our RDBMS was MIMER and used a language called MQL

I doubt I would buy MIMER, a DEC VAX or a Prime

Lot of good it did them!
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Ian Michael Gumby - 24 Sep 2008 13:25 GMT
Dec was a main supplier in the 70's and late 80's.

We had a PDP1170 series in high school. I did part of my NSF grant
work on a DEC PDP11 running SYS III Unix in '84, and there were Vaxen
in the OSU EE dept.
In '85-'86, the Comp Sci went pretty much Sun and then (I forget the
large servers) (Interestingly enough because of the large servers not
being Sun or Vaxen, we were "saved" by the Morris Worm.

But the point was that DEC which made Apollo workstations got bought
out by HP (going from memory). Sequent bought out by IBM, and SGI
imploaded with pieces going to a couple of different companies
including Sun.

The history of Silicon valley is a cross between a soap opera and a
real life game of monopoly.

Informix is/was an interesting side note.

IDS is a very well built machine and the comparison to Cinderella
actually works when describing the post IBM acquisition. Only one
small problem....

Neither Stuart nor Ambush are "prince charming". ;-)

And before someone quips "gumby", I'm a tad too mercenary. ;-)

-G

> ok, late 80s and DEC VAX (are they still build??? I never worked with VAX)
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> http://www.it-volz.de
InDeep - 25 Sep 2008 08:05 GMT
Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:

http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/datawarehousing_mysql_infobright.html
Obnoxio The Clown - 25 Sep 2008 08:20 GMT
> Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:
>
> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/datawarehousing_mysql_infobright.html
>
>  

"Theoretically, an Infobright table can go up to 147 trillion rows, but
practically, 50 billion is the limit today"

Woo ... mega.

Not.

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InDeep - 25 Sep 2008 09:18 GMT
>> Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:
>>
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> Not.

I can always depend on you to miss the point.

*<8o)
Obnoxio The Clown - 25 Sep 2008 09:23 GMT
>  
>>    
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> I can always depend on you to miss the point.
>  

I'm not hugely concerned. IBM is marketing DB2 in the BI space. :o)

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Captain Pedantic - 25 Sep 2008 18:36 GMT
>> Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:
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> Woo ... mega.

Well, giga actually.  When I was a child, it would have been tera.
Obnoxio The Clown - 25 Sep 2008 18:39 GMT
>  
>>    
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>  

What*ever* ... Talk to the hand ...

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Captain Pedantic - 25 Sep 2008 18:59 GMT
>>>> Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:
>>>>
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> What*ever* ... Talk to the hand ...

Would rather not - seems to be resting on your cock.
Mark Townsend - 25 Sep 2008 22:28 GMT
>> What*ever* ... Talk to the hand ...
>
> Would rather not - seems to be resting on your cock.

Wow - Captain P successfully channeling Obnoxio. Very, very, very funny.
I wish I had said it (....oh wait, I will)
Obnoxio The Clown - 25 Sep 2008 22:33 GMT
> Wow - Captain P successfully channeling Obnoxio.
>  

And how do you know this?

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Campbell, John (GE Money) - 25 Sep 2008 20:49 GMT
-----Original Message-----
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> InDeep wrote:
>> Put this in your on-campus pipe and smoke it:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
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> Woo ... mega.

Well, giga actually.  When I was a child, it would have been tera.

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We had some version of Informix running on an AT&T unix server. All of
the clients were daisy-chained with their green screens displaying a
simple menu. Other apps like Lotus123, WordPerfect, and DBASE III were
available. AT&T, Vax, Mac, and IBM were among several vendors who had a
presence on campus.  From this exposure, I at least had some clue about
Informix and how it compared to competitors.
Ian Michael Gumby - 25 Sep 2008 18:14 GMT
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:23:08 +0100
> From: obnoxio@serendipita.com

> I'm not hugely concerned. IBM is marketing DB2 in the BI space. :o)

So you are in fact confirming the continued issue that IBM is still not marketing or training their sales force to market and or sell IDS?

If true, then wouldn't it be better for IBM to allow IDS to fully evolve in to a competing product and sell it exclusively via OEM, partners and channel sales?
Of course large integrated clients who run Informix will still get their on site sales reps who'll slave to their every desire. :-)

This way IDS has a chance.

BTW, how much money does IBM contribute to partner marketing efforts? ... ;-)

-G

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