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Informix 11.5 worse than 11.1 and 10?

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LIGHT SCANS - 01 Oct 2008 16:09 GMT
I've heard a rumor that 11.5 MIGHT be slower, less stable, and have
lost some features that 11.1 and 10 had.  Is that true?

-L.S.
Obnoxio The Clown - 01 Oct 2008 16:14 GMT
> I've heard a rumor that 11.5 MIGHT be slower, less stable, and have
> lost some features that 11.1 and 10 had.  Is that true?
>
>  

Not that I know of. I can't really comment on relative stability, but
everyone I know who has used both says that 11.5 is faster and has more
features. My "connections" in tech support all seem to be telling me
that given the choice between 11.1 and 11.5, I should always go for 11.5
and they've not given me a bad steer yet.

Can you cite a slightly more factual set of circumstances?

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LIGHT SCANS - 01 Oct 2008 16:47 GMT
Unfortunately not.  The IIUG Insider (Issue #99) September 2008
editorial by Gary Ben-Israel made me nervous.  I was hoping a
discussion here would clear things up.

-L.S.
Obnoxio The Clown - 01 Oct 2008 17:02 GMT
> Unfortunately not.  The IIUG Insider (Issue #99) September 2008
> editorial by Gary Ben-Israel made me nervous.  I was hoping a
> discussion here would clear things up.
>
>  

"Don't read between the lines. I am not insinuating that IDS 11.5 is not
as stable or fast as 11.1 and 10 were. I am just asking Jerry and his
team not neglect these old feature when going after new ones."

That editorial?

f.ck's sake man, get a f.cking grip!

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LIGHT SCANS - 01 Oct 2008 20:09 GMT
Thank you for telling me not to worry.  I greatly value your opinions
and advice.  Plus I have a thick skin.  But I am afraid that you have
scared others away from commenting.  If that is true then, to those
people, please reply to my email address that you can find by clicking
on "View profile".

-L.S.
RedGrittyBrick - 01 Oct 2008 22:29 GMT
> Thank you for telling me not to worry.  I greatly value your opinions
> and advice.  Plus I have a thick skin.  

Good! Obnoxio may live up to his name but after reading this newsgroup
for many years, I have the impression he knows Informix pretty well.

> But I am afraid that you have
> scared others away from commenting.  

I think this is less likely than you seem to think. OTC is well known in
this newsgroup and it doesn't look like any of the regular experts ever
hesitate to correct him if he were wrong.

> If that is true then, to those
> people, please reply to my email address that you can find by clicking
> on "View profile".

My newsreader doesn't have a "View profile" option anywhere. Just
because Google offer a web interface to Newsgroups doesn't mean that
everyone uses it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsreader_(Usenet)
http://www.newsreaders.info/started-newsreaders.htm

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Obnoxio The Clown - 01 Oct 2008 22:39 GMT
> Thank you for telling me not to worry.  I greatly value your opinions
> and advice.  Plus I have a thick skin.  But I am afraid that you have
> scared others away from commenting.  If that is true then, to those
> people, please reply to my email address that you can find by clicking
> on "View profile".
>  

Look, I have been wrong before, and I will be again. Just ask the
missus. But you are deliberately taking something Gary said very clearly
and willfully turning it on its head.

You're clearly a major league conspiracy theorist. Are you a Libertarian?

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Art Kagel - 02 Oct 2008 02:57 GMT
11.50 is fine and has every feature that 11.10 and 10.00 have and more.
REALLY love the index self join optimization and dynamic SQL in SQL works
great in the xC2 release.

Art

> Thank you for telling me not to worry.  I greatly value your opinions
> and advice.  Plus I have a thick skin.  But I am afraid that you have
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> Informix-list@iiug.org
> http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list

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LIGHT SCANS - 02 Oct 2008 15:44 GMT
Thank you all for responding.  I'm glad that Informix 11.5 is better
in every way than 11.1 and 10.  I am sorry if I caused such a ruckus.
By the way, I have been reading this newsgroup for years (almost
decades) and have learned a lot from you guys (gals included).

-L.S.
Fernando Nunes - 01 Oct 2008 22:43 GMT
> Unfortunately not.  The IIUG Insider (Issue #99) September 2008
> editorial by Gary Ben-Israel made me nervous.  I was hoping a
> discussion here would clear things up.
>
> -L.S.

I answered through the IIUG mailing list already, but I think this should be in
 c.d.i...:

I apologize for the way I'm gone say this, but I feel I have to be clear...

You didn't hear a rumor... you're actually creating one. Let's see
what was written:

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"Along with the 2007 survey results we will soon be asking you to
participate in the 2008 IIUG survey. Please take a few minutes and
fill it out. It helps us make IDS a better product, gives us the
chance to be heard as a collective group, and who knows, you may get
your favorite feature into the next release. Adding features to IDS is
important to maintain its current technological advantage.

I would, however, like to say a few words in favor of the old features
- those that are the reason we chose Informix to begin with and the
reason we stayed with it. The great performance, the small footprint,
but above all the robustness and stability - knowing that as long as
you do not unplug the power it will keep on going. This was a quality
that could not be replaced by stronger hardware.

Don't read between the lines. I am not insinuating that IDS 11.5 is
not as stable or fast as 11.1 and 10 were. I am just asking Jerry and
his team not neglect these old feature when going after new ones."

-----------------------------------

Nowhere, and I want to emphasize _NOWHERE_, in these lines, the author
is saying 11.5 isn't stable or has bad performance.
It is just asking the product manager a simple and fair request: Don't
let new features get in the way of the well known quality of the product.

IDS 11.50 will not be perfect, as no any other version is,
was, or will be. But until now I haven't heard any big issue with it.
So, no reason to get nervous. As with any other version, if you're
planning to move to IDS 11.50 you really need to test it in your
environment. And also stay alert, I repeat as with any other version,
for any critical issue that IBM may publish about it, it one appears.

By the way... Today we're having the "Community action day":

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com/2008/09/community-day-october-1-what-and
-why.html


Thanks for participating ;)

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My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

Ian Michael Gumby - 02 Oct 2008 01:25 GMT
> Don't read between the lines. I am not insinuating that IDS 11.5 is
> not as stable or fast as 11.1 and 10 were. I am just asking Jerry and
> his team not neglect these old feature when going after new ones."

Don't you just love people who create aliases. ;-)

Gary's point is that you should be able to add new features without
breaking the old system.

To some extent he's right and IDS has improved over time. Even after
absorbing Illustra's ORDBMS features the speed and performance came
back.
(7.3x was faster that 9.x) 11.x, I believe is faster than both.

I think the reason Gary made his statements is that there is some
concern about "blending" features found in DB2 in to the IDS code
stream. If not done properly, you can screw things up. Luckily this is
not the case. I've loved the product hated the management/marketing
and sales for fscking things up.

If you want a case in point, look at Oracle and to some extent DB2.
Ever wonder why they don't push extensibility? Because they can't.
Neither code base, Oracle Cartridges and DB2's Extenders can keep up
with IDS's datablades.

This is primarily why I'm so pissed off at Ambush, Jerry, Alyse &
company.  You have a product where things were done right. Only to
live in the shadow of a legacy application ported from the mainframe.

"Community Action Day?" LOL... never heard about it. Says a lot about
IDS marketing. ;-)

But hey! What do I know?

-G
 
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