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Ingres r3 in SCO Open Server 5.0.6

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news - 22 Oct 2004 00:07 GMT
Hello,
Anybody was able to compile Ingres r3 under SCO Open Server 5.0.6 and is
willing to share the experience ?

On a different note is the open source Ingres license similar with other
open source licenses ? In my understanding you can use the SW in your
application but not charge for Ingres and any changes you make to Ingres
source have to be made open source too.

Regards,
M Gutica
Emiliano - 22 Oct 2004 02:59 GMT
> On a different note is the open source Ingres license similar with other
> open source licenses ? In my understanding you can use the SW in your
> application but not charge for Ingres and any changes you make to Ingres
> source have to be made open source too.

Disclaimer: IANAL, nor do I play one in major broadway shows. You should
most definately consult a lawyer with IP experience before shipping
software based on any 3rd party software, be it open source or not.

With that out of the way, my understanding of the license is as follows:

You are not disallowed to charge for Ingres, but if you distribute
binaries to anyone (making it available for download counts as
distributing) you have to make the source that was used to build
those binaries available to people you distributed those binaries to
when they request it, and these sources (including any changes you made
to Ingres) would have to be made available to those people under the
CA-TOSL or a license that is compatible with it (and for license
compatibility you *must* consult a proper lawyer). Note that this *will*
allow those people to redistribute your changed sources. If you never
distribute the changed Ingres outside of your organisation, you could
keep your changes private.

But given the fact that your clients would be allowed to redistribute
the changed sources anyway, why would you *not* want to make your
changes available to CA for inclusion in the mainstream Ingres? If you
do it'd mean less work for you, if you don't it means that with every
new release of Ingres you'd have to re-port your own patches and do all
the testing on your own. Don't underestimate the work involved in that!
And that's assuming you know how to test a new Ingres build properly,
which, no offence, you probably don't. CA does.

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news - 22 Oct 2004 22:02 GMT
> > On a different note is the open source Ingres license similar with other
> > open source licenses ? In my understanding you can use the SW in your
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> And that's assuming you know how to test a new Ingres build properly,
> which, no offence, you probably don't. CA does.

Many Thanks, very usefull explanation. At this time we don't really intend
to do any changes, and if we will do, definitely will make all public (back
to CA). Apparently our marketing guys can not get  straight answer from CA
if will keep selling licenses for Ingres, so this is the reason why we are
trying to compile under SCO Open Server as the first step. Given the
situation of the SCO group next step will be to port our application to
Linux and have allready the experience of compiling Ingres. I assume under
Linux it is much easier.

M Gutica
Emiliano Heyns - 23 Oct 2004 10:09 GMT
> Many Thanks, very usefull explanation. At this time we don't really intend
> to do any changes, and if we will do, definitely will make all public (back
> to CA). Apparently our marketing guys can not get  straight answer from CA
> if will keep selling licenses for Ingres, so this is the reason why we are
> trying to compile under SCO Open Server as the first step.

The way I understand things, CA will no longer be selling licenses for
Ingres, but they *will* be selling Ingres *support*. I don't know what
level of support you'll be able to get if your target platform is
OpenServer.

> Given the
> situation of the SCO group next step will be to port our application to
> Linux and have allready the experience of compiling Ingres. I assume under
> Linux it is much easier.

For RPM-based Linux platforms (RedHat, SuSE, probably Mandrake, some
others) binary install packages are available. I personally wouldn't
bother compiling myself; as easy as it probably is, building your own
binaries constitutes a QA risk (cue previous argument about testing).

Emile
 
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