On Nov 19, 7:23 am, "Mark R. Winston" <winsto...@datavailable.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 19, 7:23 am, "Mark R. Winston" <winsto...@datavailable.com>
> wrote:
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> But MS still refers to sql server as a RDBMS instead of DBMS. As if
> anyone there knows what the R part is:)
The R is bogus anyway. Nobody--least of all MS--sells an RDBMS; they're
all SQL DBMSs. Again, a big difference.
But while we're on this pedantic streak, I have noticed in the last few
years that end-users (or at least their managers) use the term
"database" when they mean "application". This is actually quite
important because a couple of times when doing bids and proposals we've
realized too late that we've been talking at cross-purposes with the
customer.
Personally I'd be glad to see the word "database" completely abolished.

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steve - 21 Nov 2008 01:48 GMT
> The R is bogus anyway. Nobody--least of all MS--sells an RDBMS; they're
> all SQL DBMSs. Again, a big difference.
> But while we're on this pedantic streak, ...
You may be on to something here. The relational community does write
with a pedantic slant. After all, if you're trying to describe the
science of data it's hardly surprising. But I fear they overlook the
idea that those in their target audience are not yet scientists. To
keep their interest perhaps a more creative and entertaining style is
warranted without compromising the key concepts. I thus describe some
of my own work:) Recently while talking to some net folks about
Dataphor I referred to it as a RAD tool, R(elational) A(ccelerator) D
(evelopment). As opposed to sql (Sql Server) which is a R(apid) D(e-
acceleration) D(evelopment) tool. (This was well received:) Somewhat
sophomoric but entertaining. Perhaps you have to give users something
other than relvars to hang their tables on:)
> Personally I'd be glad to see the word "database" completely abolished.
I tend towards this too. Just shorten it to "data". Maybe there is no
basis, nor utility in the rest of it:)
best,
steve dassin
Blogging about smashing data with Dataphor
www.beyondsql.blogspot.com