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trivia: origin of names for UPPER() and LOWER()

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Mark C. Stock - 28 Dec 2005 13:09 GMT
it occurred to my that for some whose native tongue is not english, the
names of these two functions might seem a bit odd, as would the phrases
'upper case' and 'lower case'

so, trivia question: what's the derivation (etymology, if you will) of the
terms 'upper case' and 'lower case' from which these functions get their
name?

++ mcs
Michel Cadot - 28 Dec 2005 14:12 GMT
| it occurred to my that for some whose native tongue is not english, the
| names of these two functions might seem a bit odd, as would the phrases
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|
| ++ mcs

I think it comes from the typewriter.
When you have to type a capital letter you press the shift button
which elevates the carriage.
So, small letters were typed when carriage is in lower position
and capital letters when it is in upper position.

(Sorry if the technical words are not the correct ones)
Regards
Michel Cadot
Turkbear - 28 Dec 2005 14:36 GMT
>| it occurred to my that for some whose native tongue is not english, the
>| names of these two functions might seem a bit odd, as would the phrases
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>Regards
>Michel Cadot

Actually it was from typesetting days:

From:
http://www.bellevuelinux.org/lower_case.html

The terms lower case and upper case originated from the way that type (i.e., individual letters that were cast from special
metal alloys for use in printing) was stored in the days of hand typesetting. The type was sorted by letter and kept in
specially designed wooden or metal cases, with separate cases for capital and small letters. Usually the two cases were
placed one above the other on a rack on the typesetter's desk, with the case containing the capital letters (i.e., the upper
case) positioned above that containing the small letters (i.e., the lower case).

hth
PS:
( Is there anything you can't find with a Google search  ;-) )
Mark C. Stock - 28 Dec 2005 15:58 GMT
>>| it occurred to my that for some whose native tongue is not english, the
>>| names of these two functions might seem a bit odd, as would the phrases
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> PS:
> ( Is there anything you can't find with a Google search  ;-) )

I once had a client that required a BATES number on every sales order, so we
made sure we included BATES_NO in the database design.

Then we asked what the BATES number represents, we were told it was from the
Bates 'kerchunker' gizmo that stamps the number on the incoming paperwork.

I've sinced learned that this quaint terminology is actually a bit more
widespread; from 'http://www.techpathways.com/uploads/BatesNumbering.pdf'

"Note: The term "Bates Number" comes from the Bates Manufacturing Co. which
was
incorporated on September 13, 1890 in New York State. The Bates
Manufacturing Co.
manufactured and sold automatic hand-held numbering machines. The company
was bought by
Edison Phonograph Works (Thomas Edison's company) in 1892."

And most of us (at least on this side of the pond) still dial the phone,
don't we?

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Randy Harris - 28 Dec 2005 17:08 GMT
> >>| it occurred to my that for some whose native tongue is not english, the
> >>| names of these two functions might seem a bit odd, as would the phrases
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>
> ++ mcs

Even more trivial.

Edison didn't invent the phone, but he designed and produced the first
duplex telephone (hear and speak at the same time).
Mark C. Stock - 28 Dec 2005 18:31 GMT
> "Mark C. Stock" <mcstockX@Xenquery .com> wrote in message
>>
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> Edison didn't invent the phone, but he designed and produced the first
> duplex telephone (hear and speak at the same time).

BTW -- the accent was on the word 'dial'

++ mcs
Randy Harris - 28 Dec 2005 18:50 GMT
> > "Mark C. Stock" <mcstockX@Xenquery .com> wrote in message
> >>
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>
> ++ mcs

Oh, I caught that.  There are places where young people have never even seen
a rotary dial phone.
Mark Townsend - 28 Dec 2005 20:53 GMT
> There are places where young people have never even seen
> a rotary dial phone.

Which is why the phrase 'dial tone' is fast becoming an anachronsim.
Does anyone have any others ?
joel-garry@home.com - 29 Dec 2005 00:21 GMT
>Which is why the phrase 'dial tone' is fast becoming an anachronsim.
>Does anyone have any others ?

Structured Query Language seems to do a lot more than querying these
days.  And with a structure like in the manual, I'm amazed it doesn't
just fall right over.  :-)

"Turning off" things:  they aren't really off in the sense of not using
electricity.  This applies to virtually anything with a power supply
these days.  In fact, note where the button says power or just has an
icon, rather than off and on.  Can't find the link, but in the US the
power usage of things that aren't really off is something like a
billion Kw/year.  Because you might turn on the TV and be in a real
hurry to watch it.

Cell phones are replacing "Hello, how are you" with "Hello, where are
you?"  Those stupid pauses computer dialers have before the salespeople
start talking make me say "Start talking!" instead.  Which was the
original suggestion by Bell (or someone), I believe.

CTRL-C as a break.

Working 9 to 5 as something to be desired.

<ESC> to change modes.

Metadata, unique and separate from data.

The US constitution and it's amendments.

Special language for CB radios.

Hot Rod (though to be fair, there is a backlash to the original meaning
now).

Slot cars.

Flexies (a sled on wheels).

Crazed computers destroying themselves, the ship, the building, the
city, the universe.  Ironically, as the concept becomes passe, the
reality comes to pass.

Channel Z.

Cable
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051227/news_lz1c27remote.html

Free (as in beer) software.

usenet

jg
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Now I'll never get anything done.

Mark C. Stock - 29 Dec 2005 02:37 GMT
>> There are places where young people have never even seen
>> a rotary dial phone.
>
> Which is why the phrase 'dial tone' is fast becoming an anachronsim. Does
> anyone have any others ?

i'm still going to the icebox for cold stuff, but i listen to my lps on my
mp3 player.

quadrophonic is dead, but what about the 5-channel stuff? quintophonic?

++ mcs
ChrisF - 29 Dec 2005 09:12 GMT
More anachronisms:

Telephone "ringing" or "ring tone"
Re-boot        from the days of a "bootstrap program".
USB disc
Floppy disc    (try bending a 3½ inch "floppy" disc)
Return key        from "carriage return" on a typewriter
Print Screen key    Still on all known PC keyboards.
Table        Why are they called tables and not arrays?
Upgrade        Usually a breach of the trade descriptions act
joel-garry@home.com - 30 Dec 2005 18:07 GMT
> Return key        from "carriage return" on a typewriter

I still say "Return key," sometimes to confused looks as I'm explaining
how to do something to a user... and the keyboards only have "Enter"
keys.

jg
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Mark C. Stock - 30 Dec 2005 18:17 GMT
>> Return key from "carriage return" on a typewriter
>
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>
> jg

... and the symbol on the enter key is the 'return' symbol

should also add 'tab stop' to the list, and did we forget to mention 'shift'
(from actually shifting the carriage up so the top image on the typewriter
impact key would strike the ribbon instead of the lower image)

for that matter, doesn't 'enter' fail from dump terminal days? or am i
thinking submit? what was on that red key, anyway?

and who remembers why the QWERTY layout was invented?

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joel-garry@home.com - 31 Dec 2005 00:26 GMT
>and who remembers why the QWERTY layout was invented?

Ooh, Ooh, I do, I do!

To make the typists as slow as possible!

(actually a myth, see http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html )

I have a portable fold-up typewriter from the late 40's or early 50's
down in my basement somewheres, if I didn't sell it at the swap meet
(can't remember).

jg
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Mark C. Stock - 31 Dec 2005 02:39 GMT
> >and who remembers why the QWERTY layout was invented?
>
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> @home.com is bogus.
> http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/12/ipod-giveaway-7-steve-jobs#co
mments

good reference... i remember hearing a hybrid of the reason: 'to avoid
clashes by slowing down typists' -- so sounds like it was more like 'to
avoid clashes that slowed down typists'

the article unearthed another gem -- the daisy wheel. now here's real
trivia... how many decibels was the average daisy wheel printer capable of
reaching?

++ mcs
Mark Bole - 30 Dec 2005 02:09 GMT
>> There are places where young people have never even seen
>> a rotary dial phone.
>
> Which is why the phrase 'dial tone' is fast becoming an anachronsim.
> Does anyone have any others ?

To the OP (++ mcs):  perhaps MAJUSCULE() and MINUSCULE() would have been
slightly more portable function names? ;-)

To the follow-on question on anachronisms, here are three (3):

* Disc Jockey (also: DeeJay, DJ) -- one who plays music which is
pre-recorded onto discs for the entertainment of others

* Boob tube -- American and Canadian slang refering to cathode ray
tubes, not the British meaning ;-) and I don't even know what the
Australians think it means...

* "Burning out" a light bulb -- do the newer "curly-fry" fluorescent
bulbs ("Last 10 times longer! Bulb using only 18 watts! Uses 70% Less
Energy! Contains Mercury! Costs $1 USD at local store, but only if you
go to the back room!) actually have anything like a filament to burn out?

And, not an anachronism:

Why does one burn MP3's onto an audio CD, but the inverse is to rip an
audio CD into MP3's?  Couldn't it have been "un-burn" or "de-rip" instead?

-Mark Bole
Mark C. Stock - 30 Dec 2005 11:37 GMT
...

> To the OP (++ mcs):  perhaps MAJUSCULE() and MINUSCULE() would have been
> slightly more portable function names? ;-)

great scrabble word! thanks!

++ mcs
 
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