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Sybrand Bakker: Gets humiliated in public?

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James Barnett - 27 Jul 2005 21:29 GMT
Sybrand Bakker   May 8 2001, 10:00 am     show options

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Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:57:04 +0200
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OK,

I truly apologize for not
having surmounted all obstacles to get hold of such
literature via appropriate library lending -services.

In the first place, this could only have happened if I would have been
aware
of your publications.
Apparently they weren't quoted that much, because I was not aware of
them. I
am apologize again, I was stupid!

Let it be known to you that most of these 'library lending services'
you
mention, are available during office hours only, so I simply don't have

access to them. Like almost all musicologists in my country graduating
in
the 80s I was forced to change profession, and I would have to take
holidays
to 'access those library lending services'
So question: How would I have done that. You probably get paid by some
university, so by taxpayers, and I travel all around over the country,
and
if I could get hold of your publications, I would have to read them in
my
spare time. That's something you probably can't understand.

It quite often happens that musicologists seem to see 'the light': the
one
and only logical explanation for everything.
Usually those musicologists from that point onwards purposively ignore
any
contrary evidence, as that evidence doesn't agree with their *faith*.
You definitely seem to be one of them, instead of responding to
contrary
evidence, you simply attack the person who submitted the contrary
evidence
and make him look like stupid

I only reply in this fashion because evidently you have seen fit on
purpose
to offend and humiliate me in public.
As I can read French I also read your other comments on me in your post
to
Mr. Chazot.
I definitely don't consider such behavior as civil and appropiate to a
scientist, and right now I can only assume you can't *proof* your
theories
are true, as for the second time in succession you avoid debate and
instead
attack me and make me look silly. I'm very grateful to you for this!!!

I apologize for this kind of reply, I will leave you alone with your
radiant
truth.

Regards,

Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch
fitzjarrell@cox.net - 27 Jul 2005 23:04 GMT
> Sybrand Bakker   May 8 2001, 10:00 am     show options
>
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> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch

And such a civil treatment of Mr. Bakker from you, as well, digging
into the past to resurrect a post from Mr. Bakker, in another
newsgroup, on a topic not pertinent to comp.databases.oracle.server,
simply to revel in another persons discomfort.  Mr. Bakker is, without
question, knowledgeable in Oracle, and has proven so on numerous
occasions.  You, however, have yet to prove anything except your
contempt for a man whose Oracle knowledge probably far outdistances
yours.  Where are your posts, where are your responses to the questions
posted herein?  I fail to find anything of merit attributable to you.

Such displays are reserved for those still in grade school, or possibly
pre-school; apparently this is how you wish to be considered, as an
immature being with little or no regard for others. Also, I am truly
surprised you can comprehend the posts of Mr. Bakker, or of most any
other in this newsgroup, given the display of poor vocabulary you've
provided.  Vulgarity is the oasis of a weak mind; were the Sahara lush
and green in its entirety it could not compare to the vast expanse you
have nesteled between your ears.

Mr. Bakker has proven himself time and again in this forum, and, yes,
his responses are not always the most gracious, however the questions
to which these responses are given are of the FAQ variety, easily found
with a quick Google search on the internet or by a search through the
newsgroup archives.  Answering the same question over and over and over
for people too lazy to search is, to be blunt, annoying.  Pointing said
people, even in a rather brusque tone, is better than ignoring them
entirely, and may possibly instill in them the need to search for their
answers rather than seeking an endless source of solutions garnered
without thought or care.  It is the 'give a man a fish, he'll eat for a
day; teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime' approach; he,
and I, would rather see people successfully fishing rather than
standing at the dock waiting for leftovers.  Then, possibly you are one
of those who are too lazy to fish, and are offended when someone, in an
attempt to teach, admonishes you for your attitude.  This forum is
provided for assistance, and the providers are volunteers.  As such,
posters are not entitled to fully realised solutions; they ARE entitled
to any and all help provided by those donating their time, such as Mr.
Bakker, no matter how uncivil YOU perceive that help to be.

 
David Fitzjarrell
Steve - 28 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT
I would second that. The opinion of a working dba is extremely useful, and
I've regularly found his posts to be helpful over the last 15 or so years.
Much more so than a number of arrogant academics that can be found in this
group.

Also, don't forget that the native language of the Netherlands is not
English.

My $0.02,

Steve
Connor McDonald - 28 Jul 2005 14:18 GMT
> > Sybrand Bakker   May 8 2001, 10:00 am     show options
> >
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>
> David Fitzjarrell

I agree with your assessment, and whilst people are entitled to post in
whatever fashion they choose, the frequency with which people take
objection to Sybrand's posts does suggest that maybe the issue is not
*entirely* with the the people that do the posting...

Knowledge sharing is cool... polite knowledge sharing is way cooler...
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DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 09:08 GMT
>  Sybrand Bakker   May 8 2001, 10:00 am     show options
>
> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch

Dear Mr. Barnett ... I don't give a damn.
You are off-topic, offensive, and should be ashamed of your own
behaviour.

You remind me very much of a cartoon I remember from the 1960's that
related to the cold war between the US and the Soviet Union. To
paraphrase based on my memory: "If the Soviet Union announced it was
going to send a man to hell the US would announce the very next day it
would get there first."

Well you've certainly outdone Sybrand in every imaginable way.
Congratulations.
Well done.
A toast to you.

Few people can walk into a room of total strangers and so decisively
make a bad first impression.
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Shabble - 28 Jul 2005 10:10 GMT
> Sybrand Bakker   May 8 2001, 10:00 am

Yes, and another thing Mr Sybrand, Mr Morgam, Mr Lewis et al.
Why have you never told us about curing a slow database by increasing the
size of 'the' tablespaces?!
Is this a secret you have been keeping to yourselves?!
The fault report I just received explains everthing about it!

FAULT : server: OORSERVER --- oracle databse --- access to the databse is
exceptionally slow --- user advsied they had a problem previously and the
table space was expanded, this solved the problem ---- user wants the table
space checked
OPERATING SYSTEM:Unix

(Average free space = 30%).
I would love to get hold of the DBA who worked here before me........ just
for 5 minutes in a locked room.....
Shabble.
Noons - 28 Jul 2005 10:13 GMT
James Barnett apparently said,on my timestamp of 28/07/2005 6:29 AM:

> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch

Hey Mr Barnett:

WTF CARES?

Now: kindly, piss off.

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Nuno Souto
in sunny Sydney, Australia
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gazzag - 28 Jul 2005 12:38 GMT
How old are you?
James Barnett - 28 Jul 2005 13:34 GMT
Sorry, it was uncalled for, I was angry at a answer I received. Won't
happen again. But who really asked for your two cents? Sybrand Bakker,
I beleive can defend himself, right?
gazzag - 28 Jul 2005 14:01 GMT
I'm sure that he can.  However, you were the one who chose to make your
view public, so why be surprised at a public response?
Ed Prochak - 28 Jul 2005 19:50 GMT
I pity you. Such childish behavior

But your apology should be directed to Mr. Bakker. Then the rest of us
might have a little compassion for you.

Ed
DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 20:23 GMT
> Sorry, it was uncalled for, I was angry at a answer I received. Won't
> happen again. But who really asked for your two cents? Sybrand Bakker,
> I beleive can defend himself, right?

No doubt he can but I suspect he has far too much class.

I didn't see my response as defending Sybrand because I didn't see that
he needed defending nor consider that my job. I was appalled and
offended by what was posted.

Lets put this behind us and move on. Thank you.
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James Masterly - 28 Jul 2005 21:06 GMT
> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch

Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact
he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with
it at the slightest provocation...
DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 21:11 GMT
>> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in
>> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch
>
> Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact
> he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with
> it at the slightest provocation...

Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please post
in alt.test.
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hpuxrac - 29 Jul 2005 01:01 GMT
>> Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact
>> he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with
>> it at the slightest provocation...
>
> Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please post
> in alt.test.

I think Connor and perhaps the poster above are more on target than Mr.
Morgan is.

This is a unmoderated forum and people are free to post as they wish.

That's why we are subjected to so much spam from all sorts of people.

But I see no reason why anyone should not feel free to express their
opinion on how gracefully or not advice is presented.
James Barnett - 29 Jul 2005 02:07 GMT
>pity you. Such childish behavior

>But your apology should be directed to Mr. Bakker. Then the rest of us
>might have a little compassion for you.

Point taken Ed, I am sorry, and I did over re-act. However I am
surprised to see how many post this thread has recieved. Mr. Bakker, is
a handy DBA to have around. It was childish, but when you have a two
knuckles full of beer plus vodka in you, at 230 AM, and read some
sarcastic remark; your fingers know longer do the typing, the alcohal
takes control.

Let the past be the past...

James
Noons - 29 Jul 2005 06:07 GMT
> Let the past be the past...

not a problem.  Done.
DA Morgan - 29 Jul 2005 02:43 GMT
>>>Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact
>>>he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> But I see no reason why anyone should not feel free to express their
> opinion on how gracefully or not advice is presented.

Exactly ... and I did. My opinion is as follows:
"Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please
post in alt.test."

Thank you for supporting my right to express it.  ;-)
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Joel Garry - 28 Jul 2005 23:27 GMT
Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't
think Sybrand came off half-bad.  The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise
telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression.

jg
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hpuxrac - 30 Jul 2005 13:59 GMT
> Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't
> think Sybrand came off half-bad.  The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise
> telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression.

??? sorry don't understand at all the Tom Cruise remark is this some
topical humor
DA Morgan - 30 Jul 2005 18:37 GMT
>>Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't
>>think Sybrand came off half-bad.  The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise
>>telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression.
>
> ??? sorry don't understand at all the Tom Cruise remark is this some
> topical humor

Yes. You should count yourself lucky you missed it. Another created
celebrity demonstrating that celebrity and IQ can be mutually exlusive.
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