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Sybrand Bakker: Gets humiliated in public?
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James Barnett - 27 Jul 2005 21:29 GMT Sybrand Bakker May 8 2001, 10:00 am show options
Newsgroups: alt.music.j-s-bach From: "Sybrand Bakker" <post...@sybrandb.demon.nl> - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 15:57:04 +0200 Local: Tues,May 8 2001 9:57 am Subject: Re: info on Bach's seal/signet JSB / BSJ Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original
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I truly apologize for not having surmounted all obstacles to get hold of such literature via appropriate library lending -services.
In the first place, this could only have happened if I would have been aware of your publications. Apparently they weren't quoted that much, because I was not aware of them. I am apologize again, I was stupid!
Let it be known to you that most of these 'library lending services' you mention, are available during office hours only, so I simply don't have
access to them. Like almost all musicologists in my country graduating in the 80s I was forced to change profession, and I would have to take holidays to 'access those library lending services' So question: How would I have done that. You probably get paid by some university, so by taxpayers, and I travel all around over the country, and if I could get hold of your publications, I would have to read them in my spare time. That's something you probably can't understand.
It quite often happens that musicologists seem to see 'the light': the one and only logical explanation for everything. Usually those musicologists from that point onwards purposively ignore any contrary evidence, as that evidence doesn't agree with their *faith*. You definitely seem to be one of them, instead of responding to contrary evidence, you simply attack the person who submitted the contrary evidence and make him look like stupid
I only reply in this fashion because evidently you have seen fit on purpose to offend and humiliate me in public. As I can read French I also read your other comments on me in your post to Mr. Chazot. I definitely don't consider such behavior as civil and appropiate to a scientist, and right now I can only assume you can't *proof* your theories are true, as for the second time in succession you avoid debate and instead attack me and make me look silly. I'm very grateful to you for this!!!
I apologize for this kind of reply, I will leave you alone with your radiant truth.
Regards,
Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch
fitzjarrell@cox.net - 27 Jul 2005 23:04 GMT > Sybrand Bakker May 8 2001, 10:00 am show options > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in > public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch And such a civil treatment of Mr. Bakker from you, as well, digging into the past to resurrect a post from Mr. Bakker, in another newsgroup, on a topic not pertinent to comp.databases.oracle.server, simply to revel in another persons discomfort. Mr. Bakker is, without question, knowledgeable in Oracle, and has proven so on numerous occasions. You, however, have yet to prove anything except your contempt for a man whose Oracle knowledge probably far outdistances yours. Where are your posts, where are your responses to the questions posted herein? I fail to find anything of merit attributable to you.
Such displays are reserved for those still in grade school, or possibly pre-school; apparently this is how you wish to be considered, as an immature being with little or no regard for others. Also, I am truly surprised you can comprehend the posts of Mr. Bakker, or of most any other in this newsgroup, given the display of poor vocabulary you've provided. Vulgarity is the oasis of a weak mind; were the Sahara lush and green in its entirety it could not compare to the vast expanse you have nesteled between your ears.
Mr. Bakker has proven himself time and again in this forum, and, yes, his responses are not always the most gracious, however the questions to which these responses are given are of the FAQ variety, easily found with a quick Google search on the internet or by a search through the newsgroup archives. Answering the same question over and over and over for people too lazy to search is, to be blunt, annoying. Pointing said people, even in a rather brusque tone, is better than ignoring them entirely, and may possibly instill in them the need to search for their answers rather than seeking an endless source of solutions garnered without thought or care. It is the 'give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day; teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime' approach; he, and I, would rather see people successfully fishing rather than standing at the dock waiting for leftovers. Then, possibly you are one of those who are too lazy to fish, and are offended when someone, in an attempt to teach, admonishes you for your attitude. This forum is provided for assistance, and the providers are volunteers. As such, posters are not entitled to fully realised solutions; they ARE entitled to any and all help provided by those donating their time, such as Mr. Bakker, no matter how uncivil YOU perceive that help to be.
David Fitzjarrell
Steve - 28 Jul 2005 06:17 GMT I would second that. The opinion of a working dba is extremely useful, and I've regularly found his posts to be helpful over the last 15 or so years. Much more so than a number of arrogant academics that can be found in this group.
Also, don't forget that the native language of the Netherlands is not English.
My $0.02,
Steve
Connor McDonald - 28 Jul 2005 14:18 GMT > > Sybrand Bakker May 8 2001, 10:00 am show options > > [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > David Fitzjarrell I agree with your assessment, and whilst people are entitled to post in whatever fashion they choose, the frequency with which people take objection to Sybrand's posts does suggest that maybe the issue is not *entirely* with the the people that do the posting...
Knowledge sharing is cool... polite knowledge sharing is way cooler...
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DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 09:08 GMT > Sybrand Bakker May 8 2001, 10:00 am show options > > Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in > public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch Dear Mr. Barnett ... I don't give a damn. You are off-topic, offensive, and should be ashamed of your own behaviour.
You remind me very much of a cartoon I remember from the 1960's that related to the cold war between the US and the Soviet Union. To paraphrase based on my memory: "If the Soviet Union announced it was going to send a man to hell the US would announce the very next day it would get there first."
Well you've certainly outdone Sybrand in every imaginable way. Congratulations. Well done. A toast to you.
Few people can walk into a room of total strangers and so decisively make a bad first impression.
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Shabble - 28 Jul 2005 10:10 GMT > Sybrand Bakker May 8 2001, 10:00 am Yes, and another thing Mr Sybrand, Mr Morgam, Mr Lewis et al. Why have you never told us about curing a slow database by increasing the size of 'the' tablespaces?! Is this a secret you have been keeping to yourselves?! The fault report I just received explains everthing about it!
FAULT : server: OORSERVER --- oracle databse --- access to the databse is exceptionally slow --- user advsied they had a problem previously and the table space was expanded, this solved the problem ---- user wants the table space checked OPERATING SYSTEM:Unix
(Average free space = 30%). I would love to get hold of the DBA who worked here before me........ just for 5 minutes in a locked room..... Shabble.
Noons - 28 Jul 2005 10:13 GMT James Barnett apparently said,on my timestamp of 28/07/2005 6:29 AM:
> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in > public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch Hey Mr Barnett:
WTF CARES?
Now: kindly, piss off.
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gazzag - 28 Jul 2005 12:38 GMT How old are you?
James Barnett - 28 Jul 2005 13:34 GMT Sorry, it was uncalled for, I was angry at a answer I received. Won't happen again. But who really asked for your two cents? Sybrand Bakker, I beleive can defend himself, right?
gazzag - 28 Jul 2005 14:01 GMT I'm sure that he can. However, you were the one who chose to make your view public, so why be surprised at a public response?
Ed Prochak - 28 Jul 2005 19:50 GMT I pity you. Such childish behavior
But your apology should be directed to Mr. Bakker. Then the rest of us might have a little compassion for you.
Ed
DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 20:23 GMT > Sorry, it was uncalled for, I was angry at a answer I received. Won't > happen again. But who really asked for your two cents? Sybrand Bakker, > I beleive can defend himself, right? No doubt he can but I suspect he has far too much class.
I didn't see my response as defending Sybrand because I didn't see that he needed defending nor consider that my job. I was appalled and offended by what was posted.
Lets put this behind us and move on. Thank you.
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James Masterly - 28 Jul 2005 21:06 GMT > Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in > public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with it at the slightest provocation...
DA Morgan - 28 Jul 2005 21:11 GMT >> Hey Mr. Bakker, did you like that when this guy humiliated you in >> public? welcome to f'en jungle biotch > > Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact > he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with > it at the slightest provocation... Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please post in alt.test.
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hpuxrac - 29 Jul 2005 01:01 GMT >> Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact >> he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with >> it at the slightest provocation... > > Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please post > in alt.test. I think Connor and perhaps the poster above are more on target than Mr. Morgan is.
This is a unmoderated forum and people are free to post as they wish.
That's why we are subjected to so much spam from all sorts of people.
But I see no reason why anyone should not feel free to express their opinion on how gracefully or not advice is presented.
James Barnett - 29 Jul 2005 02:07 GMT >pity you. Such childish behavior
>But your apology should be directed to Mr. Bakker. Then the rest of us >might have a little compassion for you. Point taken Ed, I am sorry, and I did over re-act. However I am surprised to see how many post this thread has recieved. Mr. Bakker, is a handy DBA to have around. It was childish, but when you have a two knuckles full of beer plus vodka in you, at 230 AM, and read some sarcastic remark; your fingers know longer do the typing, the alcohal takes control.
Let the past be the past...
James
Noons - 29 Jul 2005 06:07 GMT > Let the past be the past... not a problem. Done.
DA Morgan - 29 Jul 2005 02:43 GMT >>>Do you have a problem because he knows a lot about Oracle... or the fact >>>he wields his knowledge like a big club, ready to bash brains out with [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > But I see no reason why anyone should not feel free to express their > opinion on how gracefully or not advice is presented. Exactly ... and I did. My opinion is as follows: "Enough of this nonsense. If you have nothing on-topic to say please post in alt.test."
Thank you for supporting my right to express it. ;-)
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Joel Garry - 28 Jul 2005 23:27 GMT Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't think Sybrand came off half-bad. The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression.
jg -- @home.com is bogus. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050725/news_lz1c25pubeye.html
hpuxrac - 30 Jul 2005 13:59 GMT > Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't > think Sybrand came off half-bad. The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise > telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression. ??? sorry don't understand at all the Tom Cruise remark is this some topical humor
DA Morgan - 30 Jul 2005 18:37 GMT >>Looking at the whole thread (with some help from Babelfish), I don't >>think Sybrand came off half-bad. The other guy sounded like Tom Cruise >>telling mothers they didn't have post-partum depression. > > ??? sorry don't understand at all the Tom Cruise remark is this some > topical humor Yes. You should count yourself lucky you missed it. Another created celebrity demonstrating that celebrity and IQ can be mutually exlusive.
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